Was what I danced to most nights part of a fight for gay rights? I really doubt it
Don’t read this unless you like disco and you’ve nothing else to do. If so, you’ve got some great stuff coming your way.
But first, a rant.
This morning I started to watch this BBC programme called the Joy of Disco.
Some BBC poser who wasn’t there at the time says disco was invented by “gay and black New Yorkers” as part of their fight against oppression.
Now it so happens that in those days I was with and later married an African American as it is called now. It was just black and proud then. We spent an inordinate amount of time on the dance floor for a good 25 years.
But this BBC man’s theory just got up my nose. Most of the musicians were black. Some were gay, surely. But black and gay New Yorkers? Really? .
Well, to make sure I really was there and my memory hasn’t been shot to pieces, I watched another BBC show featuring what they – the BBC – played at the time.
If you’re in the U.K. you can watch it – and it’s great. Far better than the one I stumbled across. All music. No pretentious cultural horseshit. Here it is. 53 minutes of happiness. http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01cqt74/Disco_at_the_BBC
But I’ve also put links below in case you’re not in this country and can’t watch the BBC.
So what about this theory about victimised gay and black people from New York?
I’ve made some comments about the tracks
First there’s the Hues Corporation from Santa Monica, a little known suburb of New York. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfBwsG8ubFw
Then Patti Labelle (whom I adore) from Philadelphia, which must have slipped into Queens on the sly. Produced by the utterly brilliant Allen Toussaint from New Orleans – I guess that must have moved to the Bronx. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4LWIP7SAjY
Then Heatwave with Boogie Nights. Members were from Dayton, Ohio – near Brooklyn – and England, Switzwrland, Czechoslovakia and Jamaica. They perfected their act in clubs in England – maybe they were gay clubs – check out the lead singer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gU1LCfqTmzI
Next, Donna Summer from Boston – and you really can’t pretend that’s New York http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0h8Pjf4vNM.
Then Native New Yorker, a song that – well, just thrills me to tears every time I hear it. The group, though, had nothing to with New York The Lopez sisters from Connecticut. And Tony Reynolds from the Philippines. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sshxGgzHQtk
Then Rokotto. From Dundee, Scotland. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8APtOJjtBo.
And Yvonne Elliman – from Hawaii http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4VTz7gSHds
Followed by a North London band called Hi-Tension http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01cqt74/Disco_at_the_BBC/
And then, Taste of Honey from LA with http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvIydHPhb98
And the Herb Reed version of Disco Inferno http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HRYKc58jTQ. I have no idea where he came from. I only know he was a lead singer with The Platters. They lived down the road from me for a while.
Then the Bee Gees, from the Isle of Man, which is England – and brought up in Australia. Maybe they were more persecuted than I imagined.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3b9gOtQoq4- –
And the Jacksons from Indiana http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cP_DKJQgo2s.
Sure enough, just as I was losing hope, up pops YMCA – and they really were from New York. Their heart-rending cry of protest is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDF71LjRB34
Chic next – masterminded by Nile and Rogers, two great producers from New York: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KUL9-eNXzQ&playnext=1&list=PL250671306711C89E&feature=results_main
Then the greatest show – Earth Wind and Fire originally a Chicago band – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jLGa4X5H2c
Then Sister Sledge – also produced by Nile and Rogers – get lost in music http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhKbOLqAswQ
Rose Royce from LA (One of the best live acts I ever saw) get drowned in the car wash: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_F2Kf17d6U.
And everyone relates to New Jersey’s Gloria Gaynor. In Newark, which I visit regularly, you have to survive: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBR2G-iI3-I
As I say, if you love disco as much as I do – watch the whole thing if you’re in the U.K. http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01cqt74/Disco_at_the_BBC/
If not, follow the links I put up.
Those were the days.
But for God’s sake, stop this crap about disco being the music of the oppressed.
That was called the blues.
Disco is fun.
A big musical hero of mine, Nile and Rogers aren’t two people, they’re one man. Nile Rogers! Bernard (say the ard like Hansard) Edwards was his bass playing sidekick. Created some of the all time great disco grooves. One unsung hero of disco is actually from Cleethorpes! Google Rod Temperton. You won’t believe his songwriting credits.
I remember Rod Temperton!
Exactly why I do not watch UK Television!
Drayton, superb bolg entry. I am a bit younger than you, but grew up with that music. I didn’t realise it was Nile and Rogers. I thought it was Nile Roger. Wenr on to produce early Madonna stuff. Thanks for sharing those memories. Alan
The show would have been better off citing NYC as perhaps the epicenter of the disco scene before it spread to the four corners of earth. Studio 54 baby. Snort, snort, snort.
Yes; well it had the Studio 54 gents featured. I do actually think there was a big gay component – certainly in NY. IN fact I cannot offhand think of any area of human endeavour where this is not the case. Nut the programme (which had some interesting stuff in it) was ruined by silly overclaim. Really that sort of thing achieves the opposite of what is intended.
Drayton,
Great Mix of Tunes. I am looking forward to doing business with you.
Why, thank you. I have (or used to have) a pretty encyclopaedic knowledge of r n b, jazz, and such, Plus a fair amount on classical. Also three children who unlike me have talent, and sing
Hi Drayton
Thanks for the playlist.
Can’t get BBC so just remade the list in Spotify: http://t.co/BZiRV7B8
Matt
from the very first time i heard it, (many years after its release) “Native New Yorker” affects me like no other track (or animal, mineral or vegetable) LOVE LOVE LOVE IT …they just dont make ’em like that anymore…
Uncanny, isn’t it, Ruth? I do not know why it affects me so, too. Though I visit New York a lot I am a native of Liverpool, transplanted to London. living in Bristol. And although I have spent night on 50 years as a fan of this kind of music (and most others) I can’t think of anything that still has such an impact on me.